A Wild New Meme Appears! 

"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo) 04/22/2016 at 02:10 • Filed to: None

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So Last night I was searching for Mazda6s on CL.

I’m still very fond of this body style.

As always one of my search criteria was Manual transmission. I found one dealership that had two, one 2010, one 2013 Mazda6s both listed as manual, but theywere automatics “with manual option”

Then I stumbled upon this new Meme on Imgur, and I knew what needed to be done.

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AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 04/22/2016 at 02:26

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What about a DCT?

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC 04/22/2016 at 02:27

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no clutch pedal.

Sky Higa > AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC 04/22/2016 at 02:32

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NO CLUTCH NO MANUAL

AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 04/22/2016 at 02:39

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While that is true I’d hesitate calling it an automatic. I feel there needs to be a third option now-a-days to accommodate for the DCT since it’s not a traditional torque converter automatic.

AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC > Sky Higa 04/22/2016 at 02:39

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Uh....Dual Clutch Transmission?

Sky Higa > AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC 04/22/2016 at 02:42

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Skip to 0:56

AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC > Sky Higa 04/22/2016 at 02:44

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I should’ve figured that was a RCR reference from the caps.

Chuckles > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 04/22/2016 at 02:44

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My advice if you’ve been looking for a manual for a while is to occasionally expand your search to include all transmission types. Sometimes dealers get it wrong. My Miata was listed as automatic but I could see in the pictures that it was a manual. I called and verified that it did in fact have 3 pedals before I went to look at it. You never know, you might just get lucky.

Alfalfa > Chuckles 04/22/2016 at 02:45

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These here are good advices.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC 04/22/2016 at 02:55

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What Miles said. If it can shift without me having two move, at least two limbs than it’s not a true manual.

kanadanmajava1 > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 04/22/2016 at 06:20

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How about dog or pre-selector gearboxes? With a pre-selector you do need to use the clutch pedal and the gear selector to shift but not simultaneously. With a dog box you just shift harshly without the clutch pedal. You can use the clutch too but it is very slow to do so.

If you are driving a heavy truck with a dog box you can forget about the “shifting harshly” as it only applies to sporty applications. With these the shifting really requires skill.

jariten1781 > kanadanmajava1 04/22/2016 at 07:22

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Those are both sub-sets of manuals. You have manual control of the clutch. You don’t have to use the clutch to shift in any application of a manual that I’m aware of (other than dead stop). The method of selecting gears has never been a discriminator.

The real question is...where do the current F1 cars fall. You do have manual control of the clutch to a degree (it’s a paddle on the steering wheel, friction point is found electronically, there’s no provision for clutching while in motion that I’m aware of , all shifts are electrically signaled but there’s no provision for the computer selecting shift points, has anti-stall that automatically clutches in extremis). I think it comes down to the bolded section...if you pull the clutch paddle while moving does it disconnect the engine/transmission or is that electronically blocked? If it does, manual; if not automatic.

PS9 > AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC 04/22/2016 at 07:28

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Whether it has a torque converter or not is irrelevant. The ‘Automatic’ in the phrase automatic transmission is meant to denote the ability of the car to shift it’s own gears without driver input. If the transmission can do that, then it’s an auto.

kanadanmajava1 > jariten1781 04/22/2016 at 09:04

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I would say that modern F1 gearbox isn’t anymore a manual gearbox. Another type that is in the grey area is the competitive product for pre-selectors that were made by a French company called Cotal.

With a Cotal gearbox you used the clutch pedal when you accelerated from standstill but during the gearshifts you just moved the gear selector and soon the gearbox changed to that gear.

Ferrari used a weird gearbox in late 80's and early 90's in certain models. In those you didn’t have a clutch pedal but there was still a normal looking gated shifter. The clutch operation was controlled by the gear shifter. The shifter had some kind of force sensor and the force from it decided how the clutch should act. A fast shift generated more force than a slow one so the clutch operated more quickly by doing so. When accelerating from standstill the car operated the clutch automatically.

I have heard that the system actually worked quite well but it was eventually replaced with the “F1 system” that is notoriously slow by current standards.

Urambo Tauro > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 04/22/2016 at 10:49

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